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Honoring What Your Body Is Trying To Tell You with Dr. Danielle Jacobson

Things we dive into in this episode: 

  1. What it means to be a trauma informed practitioner

  2. What energy work is and why it’s important to incorporate with practical recovery work

  3. Moving through the need to prove yourself to other people and honoring where you’re at


Dr. Danielle is a Doctor of Chiropractic who specializes in trauma and energetic work. She has worked with a wide range of clients from families to professional athletes. Some of her extended training includes Polyvagal Theory, Trauma Informed Practice, Ancient Medicine and Akashic Healing. She assists her clients in embodying safety, connection, and sovereignty within ones mental, physical, emotional, and energetic system.

📌Episode Highlights

What does it mean to be a trauma informed practitioner?

  • Acknowledging that you are not here to fix someone. You are there to help lead them through healing.

  • Each client is treated differently - there is no "formula" or "recipe" for helping people

  • Remembering that the people you work with are human beings having a human experience and that so much has happened to them before coming into your care.

  • Listening to what clients say to you and feeling how they say it - sometimes they'll say yes to something, but they really mean no.

  • Looking at clients holistically, even if they are fixated on one specific "problem."

  • Working with clients is like a dance. You're not doing something to them, but rather you're doing something with them.

What is energy work and why is it important to incorporate with practical recovery work?

  • We have energy running our body. And each Atom in the body has energy. The amount of energy that you have is the amount at which your system actually thrives or does not thrive. When stress and pent up energy isn’t processed, it stays in the body.  When the energy doesn't oscillate, the cells don't oscillate as much as they did and they become motionless. A lack of motion is a lack of life If you look under a microscope and look at living cells, they're bouncing around. So if those cells are not moving and they're not vibrating and they're not bouncing around, that's when we start to get disease and break down in the body. Energy work is looking at how can we bring more of that life force energy that created you from two cells back into the system so that your body can turn on and thrive.

  • Trauma can be so intense that it get stored in the body if it's not processed. This blocked energy that lives in the body is why we can only accumulate so much logic to serve us. Eventually, we need the subconscious mind and the subconscious body to heal.

Thanks for listening! 💖 Stay tuned to Caitie’s website for more episode updates and other exciting programs and resources.


Caitie: You gave me chiropractic adjustments the first time in my life and I will tell you I'm still a little scared to come back because it was like whoa. I didn't know my back could make that sound, I didn't know my neck could make that sound and I'm sure that did something for me.

And you said to me, you know, Caitie, you can never be in control enough for shit to not happen. And I was like, oh, okay. And then you were like coaching me through breath and you were like, they're going to be okay. They're, they're all going to be okay. That was what my body needed to hear was that they're all going to be okay. Everyone who I was worried about while I was laying on the table. It didn't matter. It didn't matter how you moved my body. It didn't matter how you twisted my neck. It mattered that my body could hear that they were all gonna be okay. And there's a special kind of magic and attunement that you need to have to people to know to say something like that. 

Welcome to Whole, Full, & Alive, a podcast helping you feed yourself, feel yourself, and be yourself. I'm Caitie Corradino. I'm a registered dietician-nutritionist, a body image coach, and the founder of Full Soul Nutrition, a method that combines nutrition counseling with a powerful toolkit of somatic healing modalities. I have guided hundreds of clients to freedom with food, their bodies, and every aspect of their lives. I've also been through this healing myself. And on this podcast, I want to help you eat with confidence, embrace your body, form aligned relationships and create a life that you're in love with. I'll share actionable tools, no bullshit stories and interviews that will remind you why you have everything you need within you to feel whole, full and alive. Are you ready? Let's get into it. 

Hey, welcome back to another episode of Whole, Full, & Alive, the podcast helping you feed yourself, feel yourself, and be yourself. Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I am so excited to be here today with an incredibly special guest who recently had a very profound impact on my life. I'm very excited to share the story about that. And before we dive into today's episode, I want to invite you to take the deepest breath you've taken all day, wherever you're tuning in from, whether you are multitasking or just focusing on this show right now. I invite you to roll your shoulders back a few times and receive a nice deep breath in through your nose, feel your back expand as you breathe in all the way and then out of your mouth, take a long exhale. 

Just taking a moment to drop into your body before you use your mind to listen to this podcast. And maybe as you are listening to this podcast today, you try to listen with your body a little bit too. Notice how the different things we talk about today feel in your body as we say them. I think sometimes when we're listening to podcasts, we get caught in the idea that we need to just take every single thing we hear and implement it or take every single thing as truth. I encourage you to decide what's true for you as we listen to this podcast today. What's helpful for you? What bits and pieces of unexpected information on this show really resonate with you? Hope that lands, hope that resonates and let's dive in. 

Today's episode is with Dr. Danielle. She is a chiropractor based in LA. She also works with energy and helps people work with their subconscious mind to help them heal and repattern and regulate their nervous systems. And I met Dr. Danielle in February of this year. So a good couple of weeks ago, it feels like forever ago. It wasn't that long ago, but I was in LA in February of this year and my friend Diana told me that I had to go do a body ceremony. It was like, what the heck is a body ceremony and why am I doing it? I don't know what you mean by that, but I trust you. And so lo and behold, 48 hours later, I was in a yoga studio with Dr. Danielle and I was laying down on a table, getting a combination of chiropractic adjustment, energy healing, meditation, and just some of the most profound wisdom I've ever received in my life and I'm so grateful for you to meet this beautiful woman who conducted this body ceremony for me in LA a few weeks ago. Dr. Danielle, welcome to the show.

Danielle: Hi, thank you. It was really fun to listen to. Oh man.

Caitie: Please, in your own words, introduce yourself to everyone here. Thank you.

Danielle: Okay. Well, I don't know. You did such a great job. My name is Dr. Danielle and I am a chiropractor. And the type of chiropractic that I do is more focused on the energetics and the quality of your nervous system. And so the type of work I do, there's a lot of light touch in that chiropractic work. And sometimes the more auspicious or what people might know is like the cracking manual adjustments, but it just really depends on the person and on what your body and your nervous system is telling you that day. And part of that, part of what I do with people online as well as in my office is helping them reprogram and look at the patterns that they have that are keeping their nervous system in a state that it's in. 

And what I loved that you brought up when you said, like listening to the podcast with your mind, and then you were like, and also like feel it in your body because today I'm gonna talk about, as we go through your experience and the questions you have for me. How our posture and how our body really gives us a really big insight into our energy state and how our energy state affects our nervous system and being able to actually create change in ourselves and therefore our external experiences. So when I'm working with people on that pattern work, it's really looking at, you know, what are the patterns that are keeping us, you know, running the same algorithm, if you will, when we're really wanting something new to show up and how can we begin to either switch the lens on those or shift or recalibrate or let go of some of those old belief stories and really neurosynapses that have happened over time within the brain, you know, that are keeping us in this way that we're like, this is no longer serving us. Because at some point it probably did serve us. And so we don't wanna make those things wrong or bad, but you know, as we evolve and as we shift, so do those things. Need to shift with us, otherwise we tend to feel stuck. So that's what I do. 

Caitie: So I feel like the essence of some of what you just shared is that, you know, so much of what we do and so many of the things that we feel stuck in are living in our body. You know, we can understand so many things on a logical level, and it is so important for us to understand things on a logical level, we have conscious brains for a reason, and at some point we also tend to face these blocks that are, that are subconscious that are a result of what's kind of just like living in the body, what's been patterned and normalized in our bodies, in our nervous systems, like these more somatic body held defense mechanisms that happen over time. And so you help people kind of like get in there and release that through a toolkit of holistic modalities. Does that feel like kind of what you're saying?

Danielle: Yeah, for sure, for sure. And really the technique that I hone and focus on and the table is looking at how these patterns and how this tone is stored within our spinal cord, because our spinal cord, it holds everything, right? And that will also affect how our posture is, et cetera. But when we can actually address that at a tonal level, not only in the body, but also in our energetic field, right? Because we're all connected through this field of energy. It's like, how is that living within our system within us and also outside of us? And how can we begin to shift that so that we can actually show up differently regardless of the circumstances around us? You know what I mean? Because we can't wait for something outside of us to shift for us to feel good. Otherwise, gosh, we'd be waiting forever, you know? So really working with yeah, you know, the different modalities, whether that's through breath, through contact, through certain words or certain exercises that I have people do. Yeah, to shift that, to shift that state.

Caitie: Yeah. I don't know what happened when we did my body ceremony. I know we were using a combination of chiropractics, which by the way, I'd never been to a chiropractor before that day, and breath work and energetic work. And just so much was lifted for me, so much changed for me that day, and so much that came through in our integration and follow-up session too has been profoundly life-changing for me. And I'm so excited to get into that. 

Before we do though, I kind of want to feels like an elephant in the room a lot of times for me. And I know that because of how integrated and talented and skilled you are, you're gonna be able to answer this question really well. I feel like I get so afraid to send my clients to chiropractors and to holistic energy healers, like pretty often for two reasons. The first reason is because there are a lot of chiropractors who are not trauma informed. So, they are not informed of eating disorders and other issues associated with trauma and coping from trauma. And because pretty often chiropractors make dietary recommendations that are unsolicited and also kind of unrelated to the work that they're doing on the table. It kind of comes out of nowhere and it's kind of really triggering for a lot of my clients. And then I also feel hesitant to refer people who listened to this podcast even just to like holistic energy workers as well because that field is turning into the wild west. It's turning into a lot of scammy things. It's turning into a lot of like wheeling and dealing and cultural appropriation and there's just a lot, a lot going on. And so I would love to hear from you, how you kind of consider those things and create an experience that made someone like me who has lived experience with a lot of trauma and eating disorders and also works with people who are dealing with that on a daily basis. So comfortable and so like, I would, I would send anyone to Dr. Danielle. How do you, how do you deal with some of that stuff and had like, I guess what comes up for you when you hear me say that too.

Danielle: Well, so much. I'm very opinionated in this area, but with integrity and with love, right? Because I'm also someone, as you know, which I've shared with you and I'm open about, who has dealt with eating disorders and a ton of trauma myself, which is part of also, you know, I would say like why I'm so passionate about why I do what I do is because I feel like if I can, you know, reclaim my life the way that I have, like so can others because there's nothing necessarily unique or special about me or there wasn't a golden ticket or anything, you know what I mean? And I passionately wanna share that with other people who sometimes feel like, how can I do this? You know, like how can this actually change for me? 

And, you know, there's one, not, you're right, not all chiropractors are trauma-informed. I happen to be, you know, educated by two chiropractors that are partners who are extremely into the trauma informed based chiropractic and who are brilliant and genius. And they just happen to be my professors at school and then start their own thing. And they're both long, you know, they had a practice for many, many years. And you know, it's always been important to me because part of it is that you're just not seeing another person on the table. This is a full human being having a full human experience and all of the things that happened to them before they got onto your table. And we are complex beings, you know, there's not like, I even made a TikTok about this today. It's like, there's no one unique recipe for every like, okay, this is going to work for this. All these people. You know, it's like we each have our own recipe. And you really have to acknowledge that when you're looking or working with somebody on the table. It's like, this is a unique person with their own unique experience. And even though we've both had, you know, stuff with eating disorders, it's like the way I experienced it could be completely different than the way you experienced it and just having that compassion and truly, you know, understanding of that, right? 

And so,that's one is that I think all practitioners, not even just chiropractors, because of the way we get into the work sometimes is like this person's broken, this is how I know how to fix it, let me just blanket statement, put all these things on them, and this is all what I know, and it's just kind of like we're running it through the mill, right? Versus really, again, this comes back to the energy and the tone, like when somebody sits on my table, yes, I'm listening to what they say, but I'm also feeling how they say it. Where, how does it feel to me as they're saying this? And it's like, sometimes somebody says something to you, you know, like somebody can give you a yes and you know it's really a no, just by the way they say it. And so I think actually feeling that and listening to that when somebody's on the table is extremely important. And that is something that I think I got taught early on, especially by one of my mentors that I was talking about too is like, she talks about taking an intense history. She's like, you know, people are only gonna tell you so much and sometimes people will tell you everything and sometimes people don't wanna tell you much, but it's like you need to know the being you're working with on the table. 

And yes, let's say somebody comes in for lower back pain. For me, a lot of people, they might have pain, but most people when they come into my office are also, they understand they're really going for something more. But for example, they come in, they have lower back pain, so all you're fixated on is their lower back, right? It's like, then you're really looking at one aspect of this person that's very acute. And to me, that's not serving the whole system. So, you know, I feel that you wanna go to a chiropractor that is based in the philosophy that we are, you know, innate, intelligent, you know, innate healing organisms, right? It's like, we were created from two cells. When you get a paper cut, you don't tell your body, hey, I need you to now heal that paper cut and scab over. Like the body is innately intelligent and knows how to do this. 

And so, you know, what I'm doing with you on the table is a dance. It's not something I'm doing to you. It's something I'm doing with you. And when a chiropractor understands that we're just helping find that innate expression, that innate intelligence, and allowing it to actually come through more so that your body can already heal and do what it needs to do, just that mindset will extremely shift the experience the person has at a chiropractic office, right? Versus somebody who looks at you as broken and let me just give you these exercises or tell you about this diet or these supplements, right? There's not a blanket way and also knowing how to approach somebody, you know, who has, who is in a unique spot. You know what I mean? So that's really big. 

Now with the energy work, I have a whole thing with that because now everybody's an energy healer. Like you said, it's like, it's a whole thing now. And something that I do find truly concerning about this personally is that I know a lot of people who are doing energy work now and people are taking these very short weekend courses and that's all the education they have and they're going out and doing this stuff on people. And it's like, it's just not, I don't feel it's an integrity personally. Because I've also had many of those people come to me and their nervous system is even more fried or they've had a bad experience or other people who do subconscious work or energy work, having their clients have had this work on them and they're like, whoa, they're coming in and they're totally like out of sorts. You know what I mean?

You need to be very discerning. Like how long has this person been doing this work? What are other, um, what other education do they have around the nervous system, truly and trauma and you know, like how do they conduct their service with you? It's so hard, I think, with social media nowadays. Like, I post my work too. It's not all I post, you know, videos of me working on people. I don't post body ceremonies. Those are way too intimate and personal. I just don't feel an integrity doing that. But it's like, if you're doing it for the showboat, then I don't really believe you're doing it for the right reasons. You know what I mean? So I think when people are choosing, you know, a chiropractor or an energy worker, it's like, really be discerning about how much experience and education does this person have? And you know, does this feel, does it feel true? Does it feel safe? You know, because if you have had trauma, it's like you want to, it's like slow, sustainable change, you know, longevity change. And it's why I always do integration calls off of body ceremonies because they're intense, you know what I mean? And I actually don't recommend them for everybody. There's some people who want them and I tell them, I don't think this is the best decision for you. You know what I mean? So, and that's, you have to have the integrity and also the knowing of when to say yes and when to say no in that.

Caitie: Yeah, yeah, thank you for all that. I think two profound takeaways from what you just said. One is the dance versus like, I'm doing something to this person, I'm doing something with this person. I think that that's a really important perspective for a practitioner of any kind to have. It reminds me a lot of what I do as a counselor because I do believe that counselors who aren't doing good work are the ones who are trying to fix the person rather than the ones who are like, let me guide this person in healing themselves. And it's like based on what you're learning about the person as you're moving through the session, now what do they need? Versus like I have this formula or this agenda in my head. And I, I really want to empower people with that knowledge because I do think there's a lot of practitioners of all kinds, medical professionals, doctors, like a lot of people who have this like agenda in their head versus looking at the person in front of them. 

I have an aunt who's a orthopedic surgeon who is known for being the best in her field because she does the least amount of surgeries because she looks at a person in front of them, a friend of her and is like, does this person actually even need surgery? Like, am I looking through the lens of like, someone who's always looking to do a surgery, or am I looking through the lens of like, can their body actually heal themselves? And so I love that perspective. And the other thing you said that landed with me too is maintaining the sacredness of energy work. And I feel like that is what trauma informed energy work is, and that is what integrity filled energy work is, is like when you maintain the sacredness of it and honor that it actually can be really profound. And I want to pull over there for a second for the individuals who listen to this podcast that aren't so much into the woo woo side of Caitie yet. You know, how do you explain energy work to someone without it sounding or it being that it is this completely intangible concept or completely culturally appropriative concept, how do you explain energy work to people in a concrete way when they're kind of just entering that world with some curiosity?

Danielle: Yeah. Well, the first thing is that, you know, it's like, what is that runs your body? Right? We have to have energy to run our body. And each atom in your body has energy, like a little baby battery. Right? And so whether you deny it or not, that energy is what is able to fuel and run your system. The amount of energy that you have is the amount at which your system actually thrives or does not thrive, right? And so for me, when I'm looking at energy work, it's not necessarily, like for somebody who's newer in it to get a grasp of that, it's like, okay, well, this energy begins to sit within the body, right? Like an energy can become bound, so when we start to freeze or put our body in certain positions or we lock down or we're stressed out, that energy can actually become stored, right? The energy doesn't oscillate, the cells don't oscillate as much as they did and they start to become kind of, I don't wanna say dead, but there's a lack of motion there. Well, a lack of motion is actually a lack of life because the way that if you look under a microscope and look at like living cells, they're bouncing around. So if those cells are not moving and they're not vibrating and they're not bouncing around, that's when we start to get dis-ease and break down in the body. 

So when you're looking at energy work, I mean, maybe people do Reiki and they look at chakras or whatever. Really, you're just looking at how can we bring more of that life force energy that created you from two cells back into the system so that your body can turn on and thrive, right? And when you look at it from that lens of like, oh yeah. I'm literally just a big meat suit of energy, right? Like it's just like, we are all these little atoms in a physical being. It's like, how can we actually get that to line up more? And the next one that I really love is that, you know, you have the innate intelligence, right? That runs your body. And then you have universal intelligence, which is like the bigger intelligence, right? That it's like each of us is a little bit and break off in a piece of that. That universal intelligence is like when you see a school of fish swimming and they're not cueing to each other like, hey, left Cindy, okay, right Bob, you know, like those fish are just swimming in unison. What creates that unison when they're not speaking to each other, right? It's like that's that universal intelligence, the way that the plants grow, the way that the trees connect underneath the ground and speak to each other and know how to actually have that connection, that's that universal intelligence. So when we're working with energy, that's what we're working with. It's an actual tangible thing. It's just that people don't understand the science necessarily behind it. But when you start to study quantum energy in the quantum field, it's like it's actually, it is measurable energy. You know, you don't see your Bluetooth connection, but you know it works. You know what I mean? 

And so it's kind of getting over that fact that I have to see it to believe it, or if it's like, unless I can like physically see it in the air, it's like, there's so many things now in our day and age where there is, you're not even able to see it, right? You don't see how the cell phone connects to the other cell phone. Yes, there's cell phone towers, right? And that's how they connect, but it's the same way within our own system. And when that system isn't working, when those connections aren't fired or on, it's just the way your phone won't work, or you'll have static, or you'll have disconnection. Well, that's what happens in the water. So for me, the energy work is really looking at how are your cells, how is the vibration of your being actually working, or thriving, or where is it found, and where is that stored potential energy able to be liberated and therefore used in your system to help you heal? Because also, if you look at, again, you know, physics all by, it's like stored energies, potential energy. So that means if that energy is stored in ground because of a trauma or something happened and the system shut down in that area and we can unbind it and use it and the body can use it for fuel, then it will refuel and help recalibrate your system if we do it properly.

Caitie: Yeah, I think most people understand trauma or stuck energy in the body in terms of injury, right? Like a lot of people understand, like I was hit in the head a couple years ago when a suitcase, not a suitcase, it's actually a water bottle, but it just feels easier to describe, fell out of an overhead compartment on an airplane and nailed me in the right side of the head. And I tensed up my right shoulder when it happened and my right shoulder never relaxed. And I've been trying to get myself to relax it, I've got physical therapy on my trap and all this stuff, right? There's also just the energy of trauma in that part of my body though. And it's that traumatic experience, that shocking hit that I took to the right side of my head that caused my right trap to contract. It's like, I have to do more than just muscular work. I have to do neuromuscular work. I have to do clearing the energy of that trauma out of my shoulder, out of my trap. And I think that's kind of what happens to the body on like a systemic level, right? 

When we experience stress or trauma, it's like we have this like stored, stuck, I don't even wanna call it negative energy because like that term is just fully overused too. It's like the energy of trauma gets locked in the body, right? And you wanna get life force flowing and moving again, like. Trauma causes the body or the cells of the body to sort of like shut down and that wheel of energy to kind of stop turning. And essentially when you can do energy work in addition to some of the more practical recovery work, you get energy flowing in addition to more of like the active muscular recovery.

Danielle: Yeah, if everybody just stops and they think about a traumatic experience in their life, or a time in their life that was, you know, more sad or hard for them or difficult. It's just like, notice your breath. Notice your posture. Notice the sensation in your body. It tends to shut down. Your shoulders might round. If you were not experiencing and telling me or explaining and telling me about this experience, your posture is gonna probably shift. The tone of your voice is gonna shift. The way you're looking at me is gonna shift. And so then now let's just take a second, take a deep breath and shake that off. Like literally shake it off. Shimmer your shoulders or whatever you have to do. And then I want you to envision something really exciting for you, whether it's something that's going to happen in the future or something that happened in the past that just like felt so good or a memory of somebody or your animal or something that is just like, when you tell me it's just like, you get to smile on your face. You can feel your heart expand the way you show up. Your chest probably comes up when you think about victory. Like what is that like position you go into?

Those two different experiences are a change in your energy state. It is truly that simple. And from that closed off energy state, the first one we went into now, if you're trying to solve anything in your life from that state, or you're doing your life from that state, you can imagine the domino effect of that, right? When you start to come into that other posture of what makes you excited, what like turns you on, what brings you life, when you do life from that state, there's more energy there to actually create and make things happen. And so when we're looking at the nervous system, when people come in and they're sitting on my table, I'm looking at their spinal cord, right? Because the spinal cord and the nervous system will give me an idea of, okay, how is their body holding certain postures? What tone are they having mostly throughout the day? How are they approaching life? Is it from I'm afraid of my environment, I'm afraid to speak up, I'm afraid to, you know, advocate for myself, I don't believe in myself, I think that I'm wrong, you know, I blame myself a lot. I can tell from how somebody is sitting on the table just when they come in and start speaking. So if you think about how our nervous system, it's the lens of what we see our life through, right? It's like our nervous system, I always say, you know, we see life as we are, not as it is. So when you're looking at the world, you're really looking at it through your nervous system and the life experiences you've had. Let's say you get hit by a suitcase in the head, right? That is a stored experience if your nervous system hasn't been able to actually process it and unravel it, which is why after I told you to think about the sad thing, it's like I have a sit-up, I have a shake it off so that our nervous system can actually shake it off and you can recognize that's not actually happening right now, we're safe, we're in a good place. 

And so if your body has not actually processed that experience, it gets stored like a little slide in your nervous system and the tension in your spinal cord and your spine and then in your muscular structure will hold back until it's released. If it's been there for years, you know, then it's like, that's what your system has known for years. And it might take a little bit more time for that particular story or pattern to be able to shift. But as soon as we begin to shift that, more energy frees up in the system, and therefore you're able to actually not only shift the physicality of it, but then shift any stories that also come along with it. 

Caitie: So this blocked energy that lives in the body is why we can only accumulate so much logic to serve us. Eventually, we need the subconscious mind and I think, or the subconscious body to heal. And I feel that what you do, resonates with me so deeply because essentially I, as an eating disorder focused dietitian-nutritionist, reached a certain point where I was just like, look, I could throw meal plans at people all freaking day and I could tell people that their body is beautiful all day and if they don't heal whatever is going on in their subconscious mind and in their energetic body, they're not gonna be able to implement what I have to share with them, the meal plan that I've created for them and the body affirmations that I so badly want them to embody. They're not going to be able to do that if their body's not ready to receive that and do that. And so I kind of realized that I needed to prepare their subconscious body to heal their relationship with food and really have them drop into a deeper sense of embodiment through some sort of energy work and more holistic practices that I've incorporated into my work. And I feel like you did the same thing with chiropractics. Did you decide like at some point adjusting the spine physically isn't enough. I also need to help people get in touch with more of the intangible and subconscious. Like how did that happen for you?

Danielle: If you look at a cell under a microscope, the way that you look at that cell changes how the cell behaves. So if I look at somebody on the table and I look at them as broken or I only look at what's not working, I'm already doing a disservice to them because I also need to be addressing all the things are already working for them. They're on my table, they made it here, they're breathing. I mean, I have people come in severely depressed, right? And I have to remind them, like, I see you, I see where you're at, I get it. And like, you also, at least you made it here. You had enough courage to show up. You're breathing, your body's still working for you, regardless of maybe all the things that you've done, you know what I mean, to like, not you know, nourish that, if you will. And for me, the just adjusting people without actually having them shift their nervous system was like, it just wasn't enough, right? Cause people come in with the same pain, the same issues. And I'm not just talking about on the table physically, I'm talking about when they come in, they tell me about their relationship, they tell me about their business, they tell me about their relationship with themselves. And it just wasn't enough. It just wasn't enough. And so when I can actually, you know, the work, the way that network spinal chiropractic works, and then the way that also a lot of the coaching that I do works is to actually begin to shift and change my nervous system. 

So sometimes some of that pain clears up without even having to touch somebody because their nervous system starts to change, muscle tone starts to change, their body starts to shift because they're no longer holding these chronic positions in their system, their organs feel more safe, digestion turns on better, you know what I mean? They start to have more energy back in their life because their nervous system isn't in this state of I'm constantly trying to survive.

Caitie: Yeah, it's like the energy work allows you to be able to look at someone who comes in on the table and just be like, maybe what this person needs is just a space to breathe and relax and to hear a few things that allow them to melt and feel safe, maybe for the first time in their life and the relationship between you and the person on the table is like the most important thing. I think that theme comes up again and again and again with practitioners. Like it's, I remember I started taking voice lessons in high school and I still can't sing that well and the relationship that I had with my vocal coach was life changing and the space that she created for me to just use my voice and sing was my first experience of realizing that it doesn't really matter what we're doing in here. It's the relationship that we have in the safe space that she created for me to use my voice that matters. And it's why with so many of my clients who see me for years and years, even after they heal their relationship with food, still want to continue to work with me because of the space I've created for them and the relationship that we have. It's like, when some of them, I don't even talk about food that much anymore. We're talking about other stuff and it doesn't really matter. I'm not like going completely beyond my scope and expertise and I'm like, oh yeah now I'm a physical therapist or now I'm a doctor like it's just like I'm still someone that's here to help you heal your relationship with your body and that is what happened in my body ceremony with you as well. 

You gave me chiropractic adjustments the first time in my life and I will tell you I'm still a little scared to come back Because it was like whoa. I didn't know my back could make that sound I didn't know my neck could make that sound and I'm sure that did something for me and you said to me, you know, Caitie, you can never be in control enough for shit to not happen. And I was like, oh, okay. And if you've been, you were like coaching me through breath and you were like, they're going to be okay. Like they're, they're all going to be okay. That was what my body needed to hear was that they're all going to be okay. Everyone who I was worried about while I was laying on the table. It didn't matter. It didn't matter how you moved my body. It didn't matter how you twisted my neck. It mattered that my body could hear that they were all gonna be okay. And there's a special kind of magic and attunement that you need to have to people to know to say something like that. And I think that is the essence of all of this too. I think people could spend their whole life trying to wrap their head around the science of energetics and reiki and whatever your body ceremony is, like if we try to operationalize it, but concretely, what I can say is that Danielle met me, had me fill out an intake form and we chatted for a while before she just started doing stuff with me, which is important because that was the trauma informed approach was like knowing me a little bit more and knowing my medical history and all those things. And then sat on a table and coached me through breath and back adjustments and told me that everyone was gonna be okay and I could put down so much shit that I had been carrying. And that was a share and not a question. What is it bringing up for you?

Danielle: What does it bring up for me? Well, one, that I really love what I do, because I think everybody wants to feel seen and heard, right? And something that's really, really important for me in my sessions with people is that they feel truly seen and held and heard, because that's really, if we had more of that in the world, the world would not be as it is right now, right? And yeah, I mean, it's all about saying it at the right time in the right moment and operating the orchestration of that, you know? And for me, I could make one contact on somebody, I can see their breath wave change through their system and then intuitively, usually what happens is just something comes in that is like, say it now. Right. I don't have these things planned out. I don't have a script when somebody's on the table. You know, it's, you're really being so present with that person through every single moment that their system is shifting. And then allowing them to be right. Like sometimes we just need to be allowed to be. 

I know for myself as a practitioner, and then a lot of practitioners, we all like, I've had this conversation with so many people where it's like, we feel like we need to be perfect on the time or on, like we can't have a bad day. And like some days, the most healing days for me are like when I'm having an off day or I have my own shit, my own trauma come up, because I still have stuff, of course. And like I'm allowed to just like be in that, you know, and there's space held for me of just like, it's okay to be a mess today. You know, it's okay to feel the way you're feeling right now. And then it like, just that can shift a whole thing in my system where I'm like, oh, okay. It takes the pressure and the control off of, for me when I had, you know, my eating disorder, so much of it is perfectionism. And the control over, you know, it was one thing I control over of like, I could eat this perfect way and I could control my weight and all the things and the way that I was supposed to look and yada yada. And it's like it takes that pressure off of me that I have to be perfect or I have to show up any type of way. 

And honestly my clients love me because I show up freaking raw and real. You know like I don't pretend I have it all figured out. I don't pretend my life is all perfect and you know it's like I show up fully so that they can show up fully. Yeah, I mean, with you, it's like, it's just asking yourself, how can I be as present with this person on the table as possible and use the skills that I have to help them evolve and, and truly liberate them into like the greatest expression of themselves. And some days for some people who've never even been aware, it's just bringing awareness to their body, you know? And other days for other people who've maybe been doing some more of this work, it's like a transformative shift and they feel like that they had a whole lot of body experience and you know, and they see things and they feel things and why there's better than the other because we're all at different places. But I think it's just presence, you know? When somebody feels like you're fully present with them, there's nothing more healing than that.

Caitie: That's so powerful and something that can be taken away to anything, just being present enough with a person to see what they're actually presenting to you rather than what you wish they were presenting to you or what you think they should present to you or what preconceived notions you have about what's wrong with them. I feel like that is something we can all afford to do no matter our profession, no matter whether we're in a professional situation or a personal situation when you can really be with the human being that is right in front of you. Dropping your preconceived notions of what you think should be done next or what you think they need to hear what they have to do. That is where I like true magic happens, I think, when we can come from that lack of agenda, I guess is what I'm saying again. But I feel like it can be so easy as a chiropractor or as someone who has this toolbox of somatic healing modalities to just be like, all right, this person's getting like the number three today, like boom, and just kind of like do it. And the essence of what you do through a body ceremony is like, what is your body communicating to me right now and what can I do with that information, yeah?

Danielle: Yeah, and also what is your body communicating to you? Like, yes, presence is extremely important to have with other people, but can you just be present with yourself? Can you have that same presence and non-agenda with yourself? Right? Because it's like we tend to do it, we can do it for others sometimes more easily than we can do it for ourselves. And it's like, I know for me personally, it's a lot easier for me to do it for other people than it is myself, you know? It's not just about me having the answers for that person either. It's like helping that person reclaim and find that connection so they can actually feel the reverence and the, you know, true sovereignty of claiming their life back. Right? Like I don't want people to become dependent on me as a practitioner. Yes, I can help guide them, but I want them to be able to have that deep intimacy and relationship back to their power in themselves again, where they can start making those choices. Now, where I think it's great having a practitioner, I see my network chiropractor once a week, is that in those shadow spots, right, those subconscious spots where it's like, we kind of like find a way to navigate and play the game and make patterns around things that we're aware of. Right. And it's like, it’s for those people to be there to bring up awareness around where we're not aware. It's like, I wanna help people become aware enough to like, oh, okay, this is my system telling me I need to take a rest day. Or, oh, here's this pattern again, where I get really reactive and I try to go into this control mechanism. Like, let me choose something different, right? Or even just having awareness of it when it slips up and just having the awareness of being like, whoops, I did it again with like compassion and not needing to like belittle and berate themselves. Right? And then it's like you come in and bring the things to awareness that might still be in the shadows a little bit that we can just help expand upon.

Caitie: Yeah. I think what I took away from your body ceremony and that I'm, you know, have integrated since February and I'm still integrating is that I have this little Caitie inside of me that gets activated sometimes and feels pressure to perform and feels pressure to produce and feels pressure to save everyone because she feels like she won't be loved otherwise. And it's like, if you're not performing and you're not producing and you're not tangibly saving someone, you won't be okay. And someone pointed out to me 24 hours after my session with you, it was almost like a gift. He was like you know, your inner child's running your business for you. Your inner child's like the channel superstar that's like running your business right now. Cause I was in a really overworking state when I met with you in February. I was feeling like I was having a hard time not working and it was so weird. It was like you had pointed that out to me and then he pointed out to me 24 hours later and I was like, this is the message I was meant to receive and this is the message that I can now feel my body sending me. 

It's like when my inner child starts running the show, I have to tell her to go play a game instead of running my business for me. Like my, my adult Caitie, like my intuition needs to run my business, not my inner child. Like she's good. We don't need to monetize my wounds anymore. We need my, my intuition to run my business for me. And as we're wrapping up here, I am curious, you know, what are some of the most common messages that have been coming through in your body ceremonies that you think a lot of people could benefit from hearing that you notice a lot of people's bodies are communicating to you lately or a lot of people's bodies are communicating to them lately. I'm just curious. You have such beautiful bits of wisdom if there's anything that you want to share.

Danielle: I mean, a huge one that I see time and time again is this idea of proving ourselves. And, you know, I get it. Like even with your saying, like, when if you're not being productive or if you're not like helping somebody. One of the most expansive and rewarding things I ever saw in my practice is when I stopped putting the pressure on myself to like, if this person doesn't walk out, like changed or fixed, like I did something wrong. And the moment I just started letting that person's experience be what it needed to be. Now that's not to say that I don't have outcomes, but I let go of the structure of how that outcome is supposed to happen for that person. And part of that is the not needing to prove through your work, your value. Because then I'm making it about me and not making it about them. And that's not really serving me. So something I was noticing on the table with everybody coming in is that they were placing so much value of like they need to operate in a certain way or they need to get something done in a particular way and they were like boxing themselves into how that needed to look and how it needs to get done. So it's like they were trying to expand and trying to get this stuff done and trying, which was very exhausting and proving themselves while doing it. And at the same time, feeling so suffocated by that box they were putting themselves in, which is a very combative energy because one's like trying and trying to go outward and expand while the other is like feeling suffocated. So that's like two polar energies, right? And it's like, no wonder you feel stuck. How are you supposed to get anywhere with that? So that was like a really big theme I was seeing is people like feeling like they're having this inner battle. And it's like the moment they let go of needing to prove their value or like having to do it by some sort of standard or rules or the way that is expected of them and actually just get curious about creative solutions or creative ways in which felt in alignment and authentic to them and allow that to expand them and excite them in creating that shift or change, the energy completely changed. You know? 

And another really, you know, big one too that I've been seeing is just showing up like where we are without needing to fix something. So many people come in and are like, they're making themselves wrong and then wanting to fix it versus having the compassion of just being where they are. And I think that goes back to the, I do a lot of inner child stuff with people, mostly because there's so many patterns that come up there, right, that we can see. If this was your little one coming to you, or especially people who have children, I'm like, would you speak to them the way you're speaking to yourself? No? Okay. So why are you continuing to do that to yourself in this little version of yourself? That's actually the version that's showing up, right? And is there a way you can have softness with it? Because when we can just be without part of ourself without making it wrong or bad, that automatically shifts and changes the image. Then we're already starting to see change. When we shame or blame or like, you're wrong for being in this state right now and you need to fix it. It's like, that tends to just add more of that negative feedback loop into the brain and that only reinforces the pattern that we're so badly trying to get out of. So a lot of that has been coming up and just people really essentially focusing on everything outside of themselves and trying to control and dictate that and fix everything outside of themselves without just even having that moment to be with themselves and be like oh wait can I just give myself again this presence for a moment and then see how this shifts me and then see how that shifts everything how I show up when everything externally and how people relate to me when I begin to shift.

Caitie: And like bringing it back full circle, I guess, to the nervous system, when you let go of that need to prove yourself and you trust that I'm okay, even when I don't prove myself, the body relaxes. And when the body relaxes, you're able to see creative solutions to the thing that you're trying to solve or the thing that you're trying to make it through the work thing, the project, the relationship, the whatever it is. It's like, okay, if I can just come from a place of, I have nothing to prove. Let's start there. If you're competitively trying to prove yourself while fixing the thing at the same time, it's like, well, okay, like then you're never going to be able to see all the solutions because some of the solutions aren't going to be you proving that you're, you're right, or like proving that this is the way it needs to be done. So it's like the body comes from this relaxed state when you drop the proving. When you give yourself permission to share your problems and be like, yeah, this is what I'm dealing with. And it's not bad or wrong or something I should be shaming or blaming myself before. This is just what it is, like this is what it is, you can come from that, you can come at that from a regulated place too. 

Danielle: Also when we're trying to prove ourselves, proving still comes from a survival state, right? That's like that proving needing to make it happen. So it's like taking, stopping and noticing, oh, I'm trying to prove myself again. I'm coming from a state, right? I'm going, okay, actually, let me just take a breath. Let me sit up straight. Let me breathe through my body and go into the sensation of like, what does it feel like if I'm my most like victorious, like confident, knowing, like, you know, capable version of myself. I'm like breathing into that and then being like, okay, now let me work on this, you know, situation from this state versus the state of where you are probably trying to choose yourself. It's like, take a moment, pause, and actually go into the state as if it's already figured out, as if it's already all handled, and like how you feel. And then it's like, okay, let me approach that from that state instead of this, like, fearful, trying to prove ourselves, because when we're in survival, the prefrontal cortex shuts down, which is the logical organizing part of our brain. So that's why it also can tend to feel a lot harder to figure anything out or organizing things when we're in that stress or, you know, fearful state because it's like, well, that part of the brain is now not operating as well. And of course you can't figure stuff out. 

And you said just stating where we are, like just stating it as it is, right? And the other thing about that you can do is like, instead of when somebody asks you, how are you? And you're like, oh, well, my car broke down and that's not how you are. Those are just circumstances. That's not actually how you are. Your car could have broke down, but you're in a freaking amazing state and like, when your car broke down, you actually found out you get a huge check and you're going to get a better car than you got before. It's like, you know, it's like, it doesn't, the circumstance doesn't dictate how you are. Right. Unless you allow it to. So it's like, when you just let things be like, I got side swiped last week, but I'm, I was like, I was great. I was in dance class and had a great time and I was able to actually handle it from that space. And I was like, Hmm, okay. Interesting. Like, you know, something's shifting, something's changing. Instead of being like, oh, what happened to you last week? Well, my car got side swiped. It's like, you know, it's, you don't have to let your circumstances dictate how you are. 

Caitie: So when you say these are the circumstances and this is how I am, how do you sort of separate that from like bypassing the circumstances and being like sparkles, butterflies, it's all good, like ignoring the circumstances? Like how do you, how do you? How do you distinguish that? I'm curious about your like, yeah, how do you define that?

Danielle: We do not spiritually bypass here! Yeah, okay, I'll give an example. Okay, so this last weekend I started my cycle. I was in an extreme amount of pain. And I was also really great because I happened to have the whole weekend off. It like fell where I had like a weekend where I didn't have to do anything. I did see fine side of me morning which was a little difficult. And at the same time, what was funny is like, my friend was like, I was like, I'm great. I'm experiencing a lot of hurt right now physically in my body. And like I was, like I was deeply in pain. But I was like, I'm great. And I'm great because also one of my best friends stopped at the grocery store and she got us food. She came over. We watched movies all day. We watched like romantic movies and we cried. We had a great cathartic release. And it's like I had the heating pads on. I had things to help me. I had food to nourish me. I was like, I'm in the best place I could possibly be to be experiencing this. I didn't act like I'm fine and I'm gonna go out for a hike and I, no, I honored where my body was at. And I said, I'm gonna lay the fuck down because I'm really fricking hurting. And give myself this rest and give myself this nourishment. And it was, I was like, this is so great. Like, this is so great that I have hours on end to just lay here right now.

I'm like, just be and let my body be and not make it wrong. I was also offered with my partner was going to San Diego to do all this stuff. And I had to be like, no, that doesn't honor where I'm at right now. And I know that you want me to come and that to you, it would be fun. I was like, to me, that doesn't honor where I'm at right now. And that's okay. You know, and I'm going to honor where I'm at and the fact that I need rest and the fact that I need to lay down and give my body this. And then it's like, when I did that my friend called, was like, hey, what are you doing this weekend? And I said, you know, I'm really actually physically in a lot of pain. This is one of the worst cycles I've had in a while, probably because I've been overdoing it. And it's like that person came in and like supported me and we like got really good quality time together and watched some amazing movies. So it's like, I didn't bypass the pain. I created the best situation I possibly could for it. And it was fantastic. I really, really enjoyed myself and giving that time myself, you know?

Caitie: Yeah, so when it comes to like circumstances, like processing grief and like stress in life, like what the spiritual bypassing equivalent is, is like trying to go on a hike when you're injured. Like, why would you go on a hike when you're injured, right? When you're experiencing grief, loss, a big wave of it comes through, you're not gonna go to an amusement park maybe. Like you're not gonna be like everything is great. Internally my experience is great and I'm fine and I'm over it now. It's like I'm feeling a lot of grief today and what are the circumstances that are gonna support me given the state that I'm in and in that. In that case, it becomes like the circumstances are that I'm going through grief right now. And my state is that supported while I experience this grief.

Danielle: Yes, yes. And it's like, how can I honor this? How can I just honor this state instead of judging and making it wrong? Right? Recognizing their seasons to every single part of my life, we're always going to be going through seasons. And so I find where the like, I when I work with my clients, right, like severe depression, anxiety, especially somebody who has severe depression. It's like, what I try to do for myself is not hop on the train of the story that might come in with sadness or grief, right? Because it's like one is a sensation and a feeling that we can honor. Now, others when the stories like to latch onto it of maybe it's like I'm not good enough or this is never going to work out for me or and I'm like let's try to leave the stories out of it and just be with the sensation. And how also for me personally too when I do inner child work like let's say an event happens and it triggers something from the past and like that little version of me feels abandoned or neglected or not a priority, I go okay I sit with that part of myself and I'm like I get it. I totally understand why you're feeling this way right now and you know like how can I hold this part of myself and some days it's like I'll color or I'll go on a really nice walk. Or sometimes it's like that part of me that I ran over so many times and completely exhausted, like she needs to lay down and lay flat and lay horizontal and just like have tea and have comfiness. You know, it's like how can I honor and nourish this part of me without making it wrong or inconvenient? 

I think a lot of times like sadness or grief or something comes up and like, ah, I have so much to get done. This is so inconvenient. Like, oh, it's like, just honor it. Like honor and stop making it bad. You don't have to dwell in it. You don't have to take the stories attached on to it, but you can just honor and nourish it and treat it with compassion. And just by doing that you're going to heal something in you. You know and the next time it comes up it's not going to feel so daunting because it's like oh this part of me just needs a little bit of attention. It's just asking for my presence. You know?

Caitie: Yeah, it's like asking to be felt through my body, which is what our bodies are designed to do. They're designed to like release feelings like pressure valves. Like our body can digest this feeling if we let ourselves feel it. And so often when we think we're stuck in the feeling, we're actually just stuck in the dwelling about the feeling or the fear of feeling the feeling or the like, oh, should I feel the feeling or is this feeling bad or wrong or this feeling's inconvenient? And also sometimes we get stuck in numbness, like the resistance to feelings as well. And so often, yeah, what we think we're stuck in is the story, not the sensation. And I love that this comes full circle back to your work. It's like your body ceremony in essence is like, what does your body need to feel? And how can we honor it? What is your body communicating to you? How can I teach you to honor what your body is communicating? And I think that it’s kind of clicking for me now is like what you helped me to do was recognize that my body was communicating to me that I needed to prove myself. Needed to prove myself, had to do it, got to prove myself, got to keep working and I got to save everybody. And I needed to honor that and sit with it and rest and be like, no, actually, like even when you're not performing, even when you're not saving, even when you're not protecting other people, you're still okay. And like teach my body that was okay, to relax in that state of not saving, of not proving, of not protecting. And yeah, I like this idea of, can you honor how your body's feeling and what your body's communicating to you without making it wrong? Because so often when we do that, we don't even need to do it for that long. Sometimes it is the whole day that we have to feel grief or sometimes it is the whole day that we have to rest because of period contractions or whatever it is. Um, and a lot of times it's like an hour, 20 minutes, just permission to let something pass through and, you know, I remember one time my therapist told me to like set a timer for 20 minutes, like when I felt like grief from a breakup coming on and she was like, just give yourself 20 minutes to feel it. Like I promise that's all you need. And it was all I needed. But when I had the story about like, oh, I can't believe I'm not over this. It's been six months. Like, what the heck? Yeah, it's so much worse. You stay in it and it's like, let the body do what it's trying to do versus putting up all the resistance and blocking all that energy. And yeah.

Danielle: A true emotion only lasts 30 to 90 seconds. Everything beyond that is the thought attaching and pulling us into the thing, which is like pretty wild. It doesn't mean it doesn't affect our energy state and that maybe like, or then like, okay, just need to like chill and like rest. But like, yeah, it's pretty interesting, right? Cause emotion, energy and motion, right? So it's like, we don't wanna suppress those. We would like to just allow that energy to shift. It's all that it is. Energy is neither good or bad. It's just changes forms.

Caitie: Yeah. I love the breakdown of emotion, energy in motion, like let that energy move through your body and you're right. It doesn't mean you won't be tired after you experience a massive wave of sadness or anger if it comes through. And I love to be like, oh, I just experienced this like massive wave of grief. I'm good. Here we go. Ready to kick on the day. Like emotional exhaustion for me is like still something I'm trying to learn. But yes, it's like it doesn't have to last for that long. And yeah, I really could talk to you for a really long time. I really appreciate this conversation and I appreciate the content you create and the space you hold for people and the space you held for me so, so much. What I wanna share to you one last thing is that you shared this visual with me of, there's a little raccoon that's sorting through the trash and meanwhile, the sun is shining above the raccoon like all day. And you are being that raccoon right now. You're like trying to sort through the trash and like focusing on like picking up little pieces of trash, like fixing yourself. Meanwhile, the sun is shining above you. Like you need to be like that, that gif of the raccoon that's like coming out of the dumpster, like into the light. And it's so hilarious because I did this big event, this big like a New Year's event where I like pulled a card at the beginning of the year, like an animal card. That was gonna be like my animal guide for the year. And I pulled the raccoon card and I was like, why the heck is a raccoon gonna be my animal of the year? Like, fuck raccoons, I hate them, I'm from New Jersey. I've had like terrible experiences with raccoons. And that's why the raccoon is my animal of the year, because I'm gonna stop sorting through the trash and I'm gonna be like that raccoon gift that like comes into the light. And it's like yeah, I'm done making all my feelings wrong. I'm done making all my sensations in my body wrong. I'm ready to honor my body and feel things and stop proving and pushing and protecting. And yeah, I wanna thank you for that.

Danielle: Yeah, I love, you know, it's so funny. And you know the reason why I told you that too. It's like so funny, because I'm like so many of the things that I say to my clients and to people, it's like they're also my messages, right? Because I'm the same way I told you. It's like, I tend to be like, okay, let's look at my next pattern. Let's look at my next pattern. Let me just look at what else I need to fix in myself. And the truth is we never get it done. Like it's never gonna be done. So like, remember to look up and celebrate and enjoy and like. There's so much that I get to receive and be present with in my life now that I couldn't have years ago because of the state that I was in. And it's like, instead of me being like, well, let me fix something else in me. It's like, why don't you just let yourself fricking live? Because the life I've created now is so beyond my wildest dreams that it's like, enjoy it. You know, be present in it and stop looking at something else to fix within yourself. You know, because at one point I was dying, literally dying, to have the life that I have right now. And instead of me still trying to look through the trash and sort where I'm wrong or broken, it's like, just enjoy this! You did it! Like you're here. Yes, there's plenty of stuff I can still fix, but just be present and celebrate where you are now.

Caitie: Ah, and it's like, yeah, I think the body ceremony too is like, how can we get people to feel safe enough in their bodies to let themselves celebrate what's already here and like stop trying to fix themselves for a second, self-improvement, cool, beautiful, gorgeous. And can you sometimes stop sorting through the trash long enough to look up into the light and be like, wow, let me just receive how far I've come or let me just receive what's already here. Let me just receive what's available to me today. A lot of people don't feel safe enough in their bodies to just let themselves live. They, especially with my clients, it's like, Oh, I need to lose 10 pounds first. I need to lose 20 pounds first. I need to have this body first. I'm never going to be safe in this body. This body is not worthy of living. And when they can just tap into like, wait a second, life is happening right fucking now in this here and now body. That's it. That's the essence of aliveness.

Danielle: Yeah, and the last thing I'll share just as somebody who has dealt with eating disorders for a very long time and suicide and all the things right is like I understand the feeling of like This body's not good enough. You know, this body's blah for me to live like all the things you just listed, right? and it's like The body is the one thing that's been with you since the moment you came on this planet. It hasn't left you. Even with all the things that we do to it and all the nasty things we say to it and the way that we treat it, right? And not to shame ourselves, but just being like, wow, this body loves me so much, it hasn't abandoned me even after. Can I just honor that? You know? Can I just honor that?

Caitie: Yeah. And yeah, it's like, if you don't have a gratitude for it, you don't want to celebrate it. You don't want to be like, I'm so fucking sexy, like in the mirror right now. Cool. Honor your body though. Like honor what it's held for you when it got to be too much for you to hold. When it got to be too much for your brain, your conscious brain to process your subconscious body held it for you. And now it's time to let it out, release it and let your body be and breathe and be alive. And you're so cool. Thank you so much for this time. Can you please tell everyone how they can connect with you?

Danielle: You're so welcome. Thank you. Yeah, my Instagram and my TikTok, which is newer, are @drdanielle.divine, D-I-V-I-N-E. And on there, there's usually a free exercise of the month where I do either like a meditation or some sort of practice that I have, and also all the ways to either work with me in person or work with me online. There's a lot of different little avenues that you can do. And my website is and also all of the information is on there.

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